Written by Mathew Naismith
This is quite controversial exchange between myself &
two others so don’t read on if you have a problem with controversy however this
did bring out a few good points in reference to how our own perception is ignorant
of other people’s own perception. In true spiritual consciousness there is no
right or wrongs however there is a right & wrong within our own personal perceptions.
If we choose to not mix with certain aggressive
people we have made judgement & upon this judgement we have our own perception,
it’s quite interesting!!
G'day frequencytuner
I will tell you why you are wrong within your own personal
definition of suffering.
For one, whose definition are you defining suffering?
Everyone physiologically has their own definition of suffering. before I go on
I better tell you I worked in the welfare arena twice over in my 50 yrs, I even
had a job in charge of my section without attaining a higher education, that
alone should tell you something. The reason I'm telling you this is to inform
you I know what I am talking about just in case you think you’re conversing
with someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
This is a true story; there was a young girl who was given a
mobile phone from her parents, she absolutely loved it, One day it was stolen
the next day she committed suicide. According to your definition of suffering
she didn't suffer & this is but the tip of the iceberg. You are obviously
measuring & defining suffering physically, mental suffering is much much
worse & in fact can induce &/or create physical suffering. This young
girl suffered just as much than a starving child in a 3rd world country.
Pain is optional, is it!! Try telling that to a male nurse
who split their spine down the middle or someone who can't afford pain killers
or someone in the 3rd world countries. Let's look at a soldier on their own
with their leg blown off & again this is only the tip of the iceberg.
You see ignorance causing pain to a small number of people
but I see uncontrolled knowledge causing much prolonged pain to thousands at a
time, the two atomic bombs is a good example of this & again this is but
the tip of the iceberg, consumerist materialism is hurting countless others.
I’ve counteracted everything you have said which says what?
Suffering is brought on by our own definition or perception, obviously.
Reply Dusty
Re: "I will tell you why you are wrong...."
Statements such as these are truly questionable at best.
They pretend to remove all traces of the subjective
experience which in fact embodies all judgment of right and wrong.
If the commenter intention might have been to say, "I
will tell you where I BELIEVE you are wrong".
We all must offer for the belief of other's point of view.
But this comment makes the assertion of knowing that which is right, in some
absolute sense.
Is this not "ego?"
My reply
This is funny, I've obviously upset Dusty a number of times
so he's ego is trying any way it can to trip me up, try putting 2+2 together
without precise definition & you will end up with a totally incorrect
answer.
“I will tell you why you are wrong within your own personal
definition of suffering. “ This isn’t even the full sum however if we separate
or totally remove one part of the sum we won’t get a true correct answer. This
is dirty tactic to say the least & it seems to be common practice with some
people sadly enough. Pointing out a particular point is OK but as long as you
don’t put all the emphasis on this like Dusty has once again done here.
The whole sum was referring to an obvious wrong or incorrect
evaluation based on our own perception without adding up all the numbers; we
can’t dictate what everyone is thinking or feeling by our own evaluative
perception, this denotes only one part of the sum!!
I call a spade a spade & yes like I have always stated
I’m not afraid of expressing the ego, there are no true right or wrongs
collectively in spirituality including expressing or even being controlled by
the ego.
As I have also stated a number of times, there is a big
difference between expressing the ego to being controlled by the ego, very few
people who are controlled by the ego don’t realise they are controlled by the
ego. I realise the controlling factors of the ego so it’s unlikely I am being
controlled by the ego but there is still a small possibility of this. Awareness
itself dilutes any effect a controlling ego has on a person; no one wants to be
totally controlled if they can help it especially of their mind & this is
why spiritually aware people meditate for example which helps dilute the
controlling factors of the ego.
Yes I have psychosocial methods learnt through being
involved in the welfare arena; I either use aggressive methods or passive
methods & at times one after the other always for the benefit of my client.
What I noticed from a lot of higher educated people than me is they will use
these methods immorally & unethically which is quite obvious on this site
however I have always used these methods for the benefit of all & never
intentionally for my own benefit.
My adversaries should be able to get something out of this
to use against me, their egos couldn’t help themselves!!
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