"The mental aspect is the same in the physical as it is of the non-physical, the only difference is, the physical existence needs a brain to process these mental actions and processes, the non-physical doesn't need a brain, it works with the mind"
No, consciousness is the functioning of a physical brain. There is no "non-physical" consciousness that does not need a brain.
A brain is still a brain without a mind. It just isn't functioning. But a mind is not a mind without a brain.
Consciousness is not a "non-physical entity". It is not an entity at all. it is a state of a mind.
Let's put this simply, without any "woo"...
The mind is the functioning of a brain.
Consciousness is an emergent property of a complex brain.
Easy-peasy. Nothing mysterious about it.
"A brain is still a brain without a mind. It just isn't functioning. But a mind is not a mind without a brain."
So how do ghosts/spirits interact in a physical existence when they don't themselves have a physical brain? The only way you could answer this is state that ghosts don't exist when they obviously do. Science studies have proven that the mind exists outside the body.
You put the physical before the non-physical therefore you will never be able to comprehend what I am talking about, you have proven the points I made in the post Bruce.
Your in a box and this box is labeled physical, that is all you can perceive because you are in this box, easy-peasy, nothing complicated about this.
People like myself are out of that box you labeled physical, therefore, we our perspectives and perception are much broader than the box labeled physical.
Bruce, in a million years you will never WANT to see this will you? If you are happy existing in your box, that's good as I am happy existing outside your box labeled physical.
I stated facts. I described both mind and consciousness in simple terms. Both of my descriptions are empirically supported. Yours are not.
It is well known in psychology that we do indeed put ourselves within a box and this is where we perceive from
of course the box gives us a bias perspective as you have quite clearly displayed here Bruce
You've yet to demonstrate that. All you've demonstrated is that you can't defend your ideas.
There is a much bigger world outside the box Bruce.
I'm glad you've noticed. Why don't you come out and play with all the rational intelligent people?
Through a number of science experiments conducted, they have concluded that the mind does indeed exist outside of the body but there is no way you will comprehend this Bruce, this is inevitable as no doubt you will prove. Can you now see the box you are trying to perceive the rest of existence through?
Anyone for starters who clearly states that dictionary's are fictional, are certainly existing in a box Bruce.
I just think your dictionaries are fictional.
Through a number of science experiments conducted, they have concluded that the mind does indeed exist outside of the body
No, they have not. Now you are just flat-out lying.
Are you ever going to get around to defending your ideas? I'm getting tired of waiting. One might almost conclude that you cannot....
Being that consciousness is obviously cognitive, cognitive interpretation is as follow, " The mental action or process of acquiring knowledge and understanding through thought, experience, and the senses."
Now I know for a fact you will screw this around but consciousness is being cognitive, this is a fact Bruce.
"The state of being aware of and responsive to one’s surroundings: "
I think a cognition relates to being aware would you not? You made the mistake in not thinking in terms of cognitive did you not Bruce? Big mistake.......Consciousness, an alert cognitive state, so what you are saying is consciousness isn't a cognitive state, obviously?
Now for my evidence of the mind being able to exist outside of the physical brain.
So if I'm lying and unintelligent, unlike yourself of course, all these far more intelligent people than you are also lying according to your obvious bias perception? You have once again proven that you do indeed exist in a box labelled physical.
In a million years my friend, you will not concede you are wrong in any sense, this will be obvious in your replies. Get out of your box Bruce, it's making you look awfully stupid my friend.
By the way, I can, in time, produce future links to state how much of a liar I'm not and how ignorant you are if you like.
Extract: A PAIR of world-renowned quantum scientists say they can prove the existence of the soul.
Of course all these people are far more unintelligent than Bruce, he will obviously tell us so. I think these people are no doubt far better educated than Bruce but Bruce is still more intelligent according to Bruce. That bias perception giving a bias perspective again caused by existing in a box, will these people ever wake up from out of the illusion? We better hope they do one day....
I will in time produce more info and links to many more people who are liars and far less intelligent than Bruce even though Bruce isn't even a scientist, it would seem, or quantum physicist. The box can certainly delude us.
...which is not how you defined it in your post. As I pointed out in my first reply.
"Now I know for a fact you will screw this around but consciousness is being cognitive"
Consciousness is cognitive.
Learning is cognitive.
That does not mean that Consciousness is learning. That's a logical fallacy.
Consciousness is the state of being aware.
Cognition is the state of learning.
Learn the definitions of the words you use.
"Now for my evidence of the mind being able to exist outside of the physical brain."
Peer-reviewed research, please. And present your argument. I don't debate with links. Demonstrate you understand what they are saying.
"So if I'm lying and unintelligent, unlike yourself of course"
I'm more honest than you, and far smarter.
I await your peer-reviewed research demonstrating mind/body dualism...
Try to be conscious without being cognitive, you're actually saying a consciousness can. Consciousness is being cognitive. It is also obvious you didn't know this because you should have mentioned it earlier but you didn't.
What I explained what consciousness is, is correct because I didn't say the definition of consciousness did I, I only stated consciousness did I not? Your not very observant Bruce, that bloody box again!!
By the way, there is a big difference between definition and interpretation but of course you don't know this either it would seem. Get out of that box Bruce...
So being aware through being conscious isn't learning through being aware!!
"I'm more honest than you, and far smarter'.
So calling people names is a sign of intelligence Bruce, I don't think so especially when that name calling isn't backed up with evidence as I have produced.
"I await your peer-reviewed research demonstrating mind/body dualism..."
So on all the info I supplied from far more intelligent people than you or I, even if you don't think so, this is your reply, your kidding me aren't you.......!!
Because you are far smarter than I, you demonstrate that you know what they are stating. I think my post certainly demonstrates that I know what they are stating but you won't ever have this will you?
Bruce, give us sound evidence that I lied, good luck on this because I have already proven otherwise haven't I? But not to anyone in a box....
Bruce, it's not a good idea confronting people like myself like you have here, all you have proven is how bias and unobservant you are as of anyone stuck in a box would be.
You absolutely have no idea what I am talking about Bruce which again proves my point about the box. You have proven how unobservant you are as you have proven how observant I am and that my friend is a fact. You of course won't see this either sadly enough
Interpretation: A mental representation of the meaning or significance of something
Definition: A concise explanation of the meaning of a word, phrase or symbol
There is a huge difference in their meaning. I stand by my explanation, cognitive represents consciousness as consciousness is represented by a cognitive factor.
Once again, give us evidence I lied Bruce, at least give us this.....
I personally find your different perspectives very interesting and thank you both for engaging.
What's interesting is that one of us is calling the other person names when replying to them, while the other person has always used the persons actual name when in reply.
I think my physical pain is getting to me, too much typing in a short time space which makes the discussion even more interesting.
I might have to apologise to Bruce, I have been a little rough on him but it has been interesting, it confirms my perceptions and perspectives in a number of different ways unbeknownst to Bruce.
It's very interesting what that box has created, this is the illusion being that all we are is this box.
I will reiterate to you both, though, to please be civil where you attack the contention, not the person.
I should ease up on Bruce, I've prompted him way too many times but it's been interesting all the same.
Extract: Consider this an open letter to philosophers, brain researchers, physicists, technocrats, Ray Kurzweil, and TED executives who censored lectures on consciousness by Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake.