Saturday, 24 January 2015
Written by Mathew Naismith
I’m having a discussing at the moment with two obvious hard line atheists mainly about consciousness, their reactions are typical of any extremist, this is scary because atheism is becoming more and more popular. I should point out that not all atheists are this extreme within their actions and views as not all Muslims are extremists.
The following is my response to these atheists, I didn’t insert the responses from these atheists because I found them rather highly irrational and it would have made this post a little too long for me. You also might find some of the information I’ve supplied here interesting, Christianised countries certainly have their merits that the whole free world should be thankful for.
"Various agnostics and theists have criticised atheism for being an unscientific, or overly dogmatic and definitive position to hold, some with the argument that 'absence of evidence cannot be equated with evidence for absence'. The philosopher Alvin Plantinga argues that a failure of theistic arguments might conceivably be good grounds for agnosticism, but not for atheism, and points to the observation of an apparently "fine-tuned Universe" as more likely to be explained by theism than atheism.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_atheism
The following is an interesting read about the typical bad arguments of atheism.
Richard Dawkins has lost it: ignorant sexism gives atheists a bad name says atheists.
The main point is atheism wouldn't exist unless it wasn't for people having a belief in deities therefore atheism couldn't exist if deities were proven to exist. Can we say the same about religion? Think on this if I was you before answering yes.
The point is atheism is very shallow and narrow minded within it's concepts especially when compared to religion.
The following was my reply to humanism being more about atheism than theism/spirituality; this point was made from a person who is supposed to be into straight science not philosophy.
“Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism
Philosophy isn’t a science and it’s certainly not psychology even though psychology evolved from philosophy, we must remember here that modern day science evolved from philosophy, mysticism and alchemy.
Is the study of humanism predominantly scientific if it’s mainly based on philosophy and ethics? I don’t think so!!!
One of the biggest in-humanitarian countries in the world is atheistic (China) and the most humanitarian countries in the world are predominately Christian by far, doesn’t this alone say something? I don’t think it would to in-humanitarians somehow.
This is an interesting survey I must say; the top ten are all Christian orientated countries, atheistic counties didn’t even come close.
Go back a thousand years or so, what would the world be like now without Christian countries coming together in a common cause? Think on this, would there be any atheists around today?
Let’s now look at recent times; there was again a major threat to the free world in the mid to late 1900’s, what counties helped keep our freedom that atheists and alike enjoy today?
Now let’s look at the present times, what counties are again assisting atheists and like keep their freedom and their life style, remembering an atheistic minority country is actually assisting this peril?
How ignorant can hard line atheists get, they owe their freedom and their living conditions to Christian orientated countries, it’s a blessing not all atheists are this ignorant and thankless. No I’m not a Christian as such, I don’t praise a God or idolise Jesus but I am giving and caring and I do appreciate my life I have today.
Christianity has hard line extremist atheist on one side and religious extremists on the other side, these hard line atheists better hope these Christian countries hold out, if they don’t their atheism won’t be around much longer.
One of the traits of extremists is deception; these two atheists continually express this trait and other traits of extremism, this is a clear observation not judgement.
This kind of deception obviously comes too freely for you Dusty, a typical extremist trait, another trait of an extremist is irrationality, how often do you display this trait remembering abusive behaviour, deceit and deliberate intimidation are defined as irrational behaviour?
Let's look at the behaviour of Islamic extremists, they are abusive, intimating, deceitful and highly irrational, most extremists display these traits as you obviously do yourself. Thanks again for proving my point Dusty; it's good to see you are still participating.
I just can't believe how thankless these extremist atheist are in regards to soldiers who are and were Christians dying for their freedom and way of life, if it wasn't for people having beliefs Dusty you most probably wouldn't be here, try not to be so unethical and thankless but this after all is another sign of extremism, you surly couldn't deny that? Yes of course you could like any good extremist can.
I thank my lucky stars I had and have soldiers who are Christian dying for my freedom and way of life right throughout history; you can be as thankless all you like Dusty but not me. You can have your extremism my friend all to yourself.
Do we just be a let be, let everything run it’s own course? This would be nice, but like in WWII if they did this, I know I wouldn’t’ be around today and the world wouldn’t be as expressive of freedom as it is today, we certainly wouldn’t be talking about spirituality as we do today.
We have all got our part to play; all we can do is go with the flow of the moment, if you feel like taking action, you take action but at the same time remembering each action attracts a reaction.
Life would indeed be passive without extremism of any kind, this is active intentions, passive intentions are people like you and I discussing passive ways to exist and just be.
Extremist Traits: I think it’s important to recognise the traits of extremism, not just in others but in ourselves as well; the following should assist in this.
Tuesday, 31 December 2013
Written by Mathew Naismith
This ugly side of life, deception & lying, an accepted norm within science minded people. Don’t get me wrong here, not all science minded people are deceptive & liars actually few are like not all spiritual aware people are religious fanatics however I am dumb founded when blatant deceit is an accepted norm on a science/spiritual discussion board. The surprising comment below has come from a person who worked in a lab environment for 25 yrs so it’s probably slightly bias.
Never accept deceit, lying & corruption as being the accepted norm as in this lies more chaos & I’m afraid one can’t burry their heads in the sand hoping it will go away, it won’t as history has told us this. If we want to manifest a better existence we need to do something about this & become non-accepting of such behaviour within ourselves & others. You don’t have to do as I have just be aware of what this sort of behaviour brings, I’m not fighting fire with fire, all I’m doing is making others less aware aware of such behaviour & aware to never accept this behaviour as the norm if we want to change things. Acceptance is fine but so is being non-accepting of the things that will keep us in chaos unless we want to continue in the same old ways.
I have to agree with noetpoet for universal reasons: 1) this is not our living room, it was created by dr radin, and behaving as described in someone else's living room is juvenile 2) regardless of mrmathew1963's guilty/innocence status this isn't an amazon forum where people behave like animals and speak to each other likewise, this is an ongoing discussion where science, religion, and philosophy meet; it can be difficult to maintain a cool head, we have to keep cool heads. a counterpoint should be stated well thought through and void the emotional content.
if a 'bad' occurs, make an apology and just move on. for instance, i and dustproduction miscomprehended one another at first glance, we just dumped the negative and pushed forward.
In the words of Austin Powers, International Man of Mystery: 'Just keep it cool baby, yeah.' these are not easy subjects to navigate and make sense of. Using a hammer doesn't fix anything (although a hammer usually works well in other cases).
If someone continually & purposely deceives in discussions like this that's OK with you then? When a criminal is a known criminal they are titled as such are they not & if a scientist is a known scientist they are titled as such? So if someone is noticeably deceiving we are supposed to brush it under the carpet? No wonder the world is in the mess it's in!!
How many times has NoetPeot apologised for his obvious deceptions? I did not expect deception to be the accepted norm on discussion sites like this one, sorry my mistake.
Don't you think the way NoetPoet has complained about my behaviour rather unbecoming in the manner he did? Who are the ones acting like real animals again?
All I was trying to do is balance out the discussions diluting the obvious bias towards anything that science is unable to prove at present but NoetPoet & Dusty obviously got rather narky & resorted to obvious & blatant deceptive means but I suppose how dare I point out what is obviously accepted on this discussion board.
If human kind is going to continue to accept deception & lying as the norm you’re going to need a God to help you, I’m dumb founded at this response & somewhat saddened!!
Note: The admin on IONS isn’t a part of this deception nor are they supportive of such actions.