Showing posts with label soul. Show all posts
Showing posts with label soul. Show all posts

Thursday, 13 October 2016

Understanding The Spiritually Aware


Written by Mathew Naismith

It's absolutely mind boggling and daunting to anyone primarily of materialism, scientism  and physicality, that any other reality from this physicality is delusional, especially realities that are non-physical within their representations. The mind for starters cannot exist outside from the human brain, the brain creates the mind, not the mind creates the brain. It's delusional that the mind (consciousness) could create the brain and that the mind (consciousness) can exist outside the physical brain matter however.

Spiritually aware people have a perception of a reality that is not of this physicality, it's the reverse perception of a person who is primarily of the perception of physicality, nothing else could possibly exist but a reality based on physical perceptions. This reverse perception by spiritually aware people is based on the kinds of concepts shown below.   

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Extract: A group of international physicists have announced that the concept of a human soul may actually be measurable by quantum physics, and have suggested that the human soul has a quantum state just as real as ‘wave-particle dualism’.    

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Extract: This is consistent with a new theory of consciousness being advocated by physicist Sir Roger Penrose and Dr. Stuart Hameroff. Penrose and Hameroff a;sp suggest that consciousness is something applied to the brain, not generated by it.

                                                                          
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Extract: Yet whatever ideas are put forward, one thorny question remains: How can something as immaterial as consciousness ever arise from something as unconscious as matter? 

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The following has no religious undertones, I feel it's stating that everything has a conscious consciousness behind it.   


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Non-physicality: This is but a few examples of why spiritually aware people feel that physicality is not the only reality that exists, in actuality, physicality could be but a by-product of these non-physical realities. Just because we are unable to measure non-physical realities using physical means, doesn't make them non-existence, this is where our own intuition and feelings come into it. It all makes sense, to measure anything of a physical reality, you use physical means, to measure or become aware of non-physical realities, you us non-physical means. To a spiritually aware person, their is no question that non-physical realities do indeed exist.  

Now what about these delusional spiritually aware people creating realities based on non-physical realities, it's all about love, peace, meditating, oneness, tranquillity and so on, it's all delusional is it not as they themselves create these realities?

Did we not create our own modern day reality through conscious thought and reasoning to create the physical reality we have today? Why couldn't a non-physical reasoning process create non-physical realities that are just as real, if not more real, than the creation of physical realities?

To a spiritually aware person of peace and love, the physical world around them is anything but peaceful and loving, so to put balance back into their lives, they create realities that are based on these things lacking in the environment around them. This of course gives them a feeling of balance which helps them better cope with the environment around them. It's also psychologically beneficial to balance out an obvious destructive reality with a constructive reality.

Creation: There is of course a question of creation, to a spiritually aware person, everything was created from this non-physical reality/consciousness that has been proven to exist as shown above. It's the brain that was created from a non-physical entities, not the brain that created these non-physical entities that are usually judged as being delusional.

In actuality, spiritually aware people know that all of what is physical, was created from non-physical entities, a consciousness (mind) that has no physical representation of form except in relation to physical realities. Basically, it's physical realities that prove that  non-physical entities and realities do indeed exist, not the other way around, in the existence of physical realities.


It's funny to think, it certainly looks as though the brains mind was created from non-physical means, a consciousness of creation, this means physical realities prove the existence of non-physical entities and realities, a consciousness void of physical form....          

Sunday, 21 August 2016

We Are Not The Soul


Written by Mathew Naismith

It's incredible becoming aware of the difference between each person or groups of people, not just at the human level but at the soul level as well, in actuality, there is more of a difference between consciousness's at the soul level than at the human level. Yes, to certain groups of souls, levels exist within human consciousness and soul consciousness, however, to certain groups of souls who are aware they are not the soul, levels can only exist within consciousness's that believe they are the soul consciousness or even human consciousness. This means these souls can comprehend vast amounts of perceptions because there consciousness is not limited to levels.

Levels and Ego: How many people believe that souls and humans, have to go through various conscious levels to become aware, it's like we start off at the first level infancy, then go onto childhood and then adolescence and finally adulthood. Each stage is awareness building. Souls to a lot of people work in a simular fashion, what is above is also below, however the concept of what is above is also below isn't the case when a soul is able to perceive beyond these levels.

The reason for this entirely lies in how the soul perceives. Imagine for one moment if we are aware of being aware that we are, from the start, of this creative consciousness, God's consciousness or of the collective consciousness as a whole or what ever you want to call it. Any soul that can perceive this, will obviously be able to perceive beyond these levels we limit ourselves to. Now imagine how hard it is for certain souls to comprehend this or even want to comprehend this, certain souls just don't want to comprehend perceiving beyond levels for a very good reason.

A point to be made here; how many children today express a more mature wiser expression without going through various level of experience? One reason for this lays in how children today are allowed to freely express themselves without having to go through various levels to do so. Perceiving in levels are obviously limiting, we need to realise this.    

I know there are a lot of people who will totally disagree with me when I say that the soul is ego, there are  people who even believe that the soul doesn't have an ego period. No person who doesn't, in some way, want to comprehend a lot of what I write about, won't like what I write. Once again, this is for a very good reason.

A lot of people also firmly believe that all souls have to go through these levels to evolve and become more aware through each level of experience, it's sort of likened to maturing from a immature unaware state to a more mature aware state. This isn't the case for all souls, some souls choose to go through these levels one by one and other don't. We then might presume that any soul that chooses to go through these levels, is controlled by the ego to do so, being that its the ego that wants to go through these levels when it clearly doesn't have to.

The soul can be controlled by the ego but it's not the controlling ego that chooses to experience existences level by level, could you imagine a controlling ego wanting to go from level to level when it can have it all in an instance void of levels!! The soul chooses to experience this kind of existence or not because one kind of existence isn't more worthy to experience than the another, all experiences are worthy at the soul level for certain souls but not all souls see that all existences are worthy, this too is a part of the experience. However, all existences are worthy at the God like level of consciousness, a state of consciousness where levels just don't exist, basically, the God like consciousness being of the consciousness of collective consciousness as a whole. Imagine a consciousness with no levels to give a consciousness judgment period!!

True Writing: What I mostly write about isn't for the souls who chose to exist by levels, basically, my writings are really only for those souls who are able to comprehend perceptions beyond these levels. At no point do I want to try to convince souls, existing by levels, that they don't have to experience existences through levels, in actuality, no soul that is primarily existing by levels, are able or have the desire to comprehend my writings, they shouldn't even try, especially at the human level of understanding.

However, there is a reason why people like me turn up when the shit hits the fan, meaning, when human consciousness becomes too destructive. Basically, we try to put balance back into a consciousness, a prime example of this was in ancient Egypt. We are not here to force balance, we are here to encourage balance and wisdom, however, if the collective human consciousness chooses otherwise, so be it because as I said, no existence is more worthy than another, just maybe a little wiser way to go at times.

It is important what we reflect especially in how we express ourselves through writing for instance. We must write true to ourselves, meaning, we must write for ourselves, not for other people because being true makes all the difference. We might think how can people like me bring balance when we don't attract the people who need that balance most of all!! If we are true in what we write, our expressions will reflect this trueness onto the collective consciousness bringing it balance, however like I said, if the collective consciousness chooses to ignore this in the end, so be it.

The way we express love is vitally important as well, at the moment love is being over used and abused in a simular fashion to religion at times. So often have I discover that the love that some people express is fake, especially unconditional love. Often this so called unconditional love, has more conditions attached to it, not less. It's vitally important to be true to bring balance into a consciousness, I cannot express this enough.           


So in all, is it important that we become aware we are not the soul but of the soul? Not for everyone, we must go along with what the soul path and journey is but at the same time realising that the soul might need to be balanced as well to create a balanced reality. We are not our soul but we are of the soul, realising this helps bring balance back to the human and soul consciousness. Any true sense of balance and trueness, especially in our own expressions, naturally creates peace and harmony, and yes love, however,  true sense of love only comes from a true sense of expression, this is the same with all of what we express. In the age of false prophets/people. Try to be as true to yourself as possible, this is all you need to do.......    

Saturday, 6 August 2016

Humbling Ourselves - The Soul Spectrum



Written by Mathew Naismith

If you are unable or unwilling to try to comprehend other perspectives and perceptions, this post is definitely not for you. Comprehending other perspectives and perceptions doesn't mean you replace one with the other or your own with someone else's, it just means acquiring the ability to understand other conscious entities perspectives and perceptions. Basically, becoming aware beyond the limitations of human perspectives and perceptions create.

Now I didn't label/head this post with, Humbling Ourselves - The Soul Spectrum, for no reason. Usually when referring to the soul, I would make reverence to the soul as a level. The soul level as opposed to human level, how else in a 3rd dimension can we make reverence without differentiating one state to another without making reference to a level?  I used spectrum because spectrum is not limited to a specific set of values but can vary infinitely within a continuum. It's important to remember this as spectrum is not limited to a specific set of values, however,  levels are often  in reference to specific set values, basically, levels are limiting, spectrums aren't.

I am quite aware that I am humbling myself in reverence to human consciousness in relation to the soul spectrum. By experiencing human consciousness, my soul is humbling itself.  Now we might think I am making reference to a level here, being that the human consciousness is obvious in it's lack of awareness for only in ignorance can a consciousness become destructive but I'm not. I don't have a destructive soul by nature but some souls are destructive by nature, this is not defining levels, it's actually defining a spectrum as each soul consciousness is as varied as each human consciousness. Human consciousness thinks in levels, our souls consciousness thinks in spectrums, however, if a soul is destructive by nature, the soul itself will also think in levels.

We might then think that some human consciousness's also think in spectrums, as some human consciousness's are not destructive by nature, this however isn't the case as we often forget we are firstly of the soul and secondly of human. Quite often the souls consciousness influences the human spectrum/consciousness, when this occurs, the human consciousness is then no longer primarily of human consciousness, it becomes the souls consciousness. It's difficult for a lot of us to perceive but the soul is not human or of human consciousness, so when we are influenced by the soul, we are no longer primarily of human consciousness even though we are still physically and mentally human.          

I should point out here that science has confirmed, in various ways, that we indeed have a soul or a consciousness that can exist apart from physicality.

This is great when an obvious constructive soul is influential upon human consciousness, however,  what occurs when an obvious destructive soul is influential upon the human consciousness? The world around us at present is a good example of what occurs when obvious destructive souls are more influential upon human consciousness. It's wise to be aware that souls, destructive or constructive by nature, are not of human consciousness, in actuality, it's these different souls spectrums that has formed/created human consciousness to what it is today.

So is there a human consciousness as such?

In reference to spectrums, no, in reference to levels, yes, remembering, levels make reference to limitations, spectrums however have no limitations as they are variable.

Human consciousness is created from non-human consciousness, the reason why human consciousness is what it is, has to do with the influence different souls spectrums have had upon it, in a sense, human consciousness is also variable within it's varied expressions even though human consciousness is predominantly influenced by levels, these levels of course limit human consciousness. Human consciousness is quite amazing actually within it's variations of influences that human consciousness is created from.

So are all souls humbling themselves to human consciousness?

When we consider that only in ignorance can a consciousness become destructive, it is obvious that not all souls are humbling themselves to human consciousness but is this truly the case. We might now presume that souls that are destructive by nature, are not humbling themselves for human consciousness as a whole isn't as destructive as some souls are, meaning, human consciousness is less destructive as some souls. We might then think because human consciousness is less destructive than some souls are, these souls that are destructive by nature, can't possibly be humbling themselves as human consciousness is less destructive compared to their own souls consciousness, this isn't actually the case however. Because some souls are destructive by nature, experiencing a less destructive consciousness is humbling themselves to human consciousness.

Ignorance is obvious within it's destructive tendencies and awareness is obvious within it's constructive tendencies. A soul that is destructive by nature, humbles itself to a consciousness that is less destructive while a soul that is constructive by nature, is also humbled by a more destructive consciousness. The human consciousness spectrum is variable therefore all less variable consciousness's will be humbled by human consciousness. If we measure human consciousness by levels, human consciousness is either horrid or beautiful, however, when we perceive human consciousness in spectrums, it's neither one or the other because human consciousness is too variable within it's influences brought about by variable souls that influence such a consciousness.

In all, every soul seems to be, to one extent or another, humbling itself to human consciousness. The reason for this lies in the spectrums of human consciousness, not the levels of human consciousness.


In a sense human consciousness is beautiful within it's variations, it's quite amazing actually but only because I perceive the spectrums of human consciousness, not measure human consciousness by levels. Levels define a limitation and judgment, spectrums define limitlessness and an unbiased observation.      

Saturday, 2 July 2016

To Evolve Beyond Human Consciousness


Written by Mathew Naismith

Like any other species, human consciousness itself can only comprehend to a certain point, any comprehension beyond this point isn't of human origin. As of any  consciousness of any species, human consciousness has it's limitations, it's certainly not infinite within it's comprehension. It's these limitations that keep human consciousness locked up in certain scenarios (box's) thus creating a never ending recurring existence of war and desolation, in actuality, human consciousness is infinite within it's behaviour. It's a behaviour that just keeps on reoccurring, it's never ending, even after a consciousness has physically obliterated itself, it's still able to once again physically recreate the same scenario over and over again. In my mind, human consciousness is having a real hard time evolving into another species that is able to comprehend beyond what human consciousness is able to.

I should point out that human consciousness isn't physical, it's very much of a non-physical entity, in other words it doesn't die when the physical self dies.  

Evolving Consciousness: Did the human collective consciousness truly comprehend what people like Jesus and Buddha tried to portray? Obviously not, if it did, we wouldn't be where we are today, playing out the same old scenarios over and over again.

Humans evolved from micro-organisms, it is quite comprehensible, to me, that humans are not the end of the chain of evolution, evolution doesn't stop at being human, it will go on but only if we are willing to evolve. Of course it's possible that not all human will evolve, there  still micro-organisms and apes around, not all of a species will evolve, however, it's unlikely that humans, while cohabiting with a more consciously aware being, won't evolve. Basically, human consciousness will die out either by it's own hands or evolve while cohabiting with more aware conscious entities. However, any human consciousness that doesn't naturally evolve or cohabitate with more aware entities, will consciously stay human. This is neither right nor wrong, it just is, is it wrong for a micro-organism to stay as a micro-organism?

Malignant Consciousness: Human consciousness has experienced various influences from other forms of consciousness's, Jesus and Buddha are but a few of these more aware consciousness's, however, human consciousness has also been influenced by what I call malignant consciousness's as well. It's a cancer causing consciousness in a sense it influences a consciousness to become highly destructive, even to itself. Cancer isn't just a physical entity, it's also non-physical, in actuality, everything that is of the physical, has been created from the non-physical. You could look at people like Jesus and Buddha as being  doctors/healers of malignant cancers, of consciousness's that are highly destructive, it's just we didn't take our medicine to avoid getting really ill, we just didn't listen and now human consciousness is riddled with malignant cancers.

Human consciousness is unable to, quite understandably, comprehend that everything that is physical, was created from non-physical consciousness. Human consciousness is so conditioned to physicality, even after the physical self dies, it still hangs onto it's physical self, ghosts are a good example of this. This makes the human physical self accessible to malignant non-physical consciousness's, being that anything primarily of the five senses, is a prime candidate for these malignant consciousness's to influence. The only thing that is able to stop this influence is the realisation that we are not just of these five senses. In actuality, if we could perceive our own existence void of the five senses, no amount of  malignant consciousness would be able to influence us, it's this simple. To evolve, we need to realise we are not just these five senses.  

Note: If you are not into souls, the following isn't going to be for you.

Souls: Some souls, at the soul level, are of physicality, the five senses, some aren't. The five sense are by far not just of physicality as of physicality isn't just of the physical, in actuality, human consciousness isn't very physical at all in the whole scheme of things. There are consciousness's that are far more of the five senses than we are but to us they seem to be non-physical. This kind of existence is too difficult to comprehend or put into words.

We have a huge mix of souls, within this reality, that are primarily of the five senses and souls that are primarily of the comprehension and conditioning beyond these five senses. Just like we have our own paths to follow in this life, we also have our own path to follow at the soul level, this means souls that are primarily of the five senses, are more likely to be influenced by malignant consciousness's. A consciousness that is influenced by malignant consciousness's, is naturally controlling, this being that the five senses are all about control. Any consciousness void of the control of the five senses, is unable to be controlling in any sense. It's the five senses that give consciousness the ability to control or the illusion  of control!!

Why are so many people who are aware, are disheartened and uneasy about what is occurring in the world and other people are not? I find it quite interesting that we have a huge variety of souls within this one reality, it's not a real coexistence however, there is no real cohabiting between these quite different souls, this is primarily due to outside influence from other conscious entities. The more of the five sense we are of, the more susceptible we will be to malignant consciousness's, it's quite inevitable. It was inevitable that this kind of reality was going to be controlled by malignant consciousness's if we didn't listen to far more aware consciousness's, the game isn't over though for any consciousness not fooled into being just of the five senses.

Basically, the five senses are of the finite where's a comprehension beyond these five sense is of the infinite. Anything of the awareness of the infinite self, will prevail, anything not, will stay as a malignant consciousness's, a consciousness that is forever fixed to a never ending cycle of doom and gloom over and over again. Not all of us are meant to evolve from being of human consciousness, this is their path as we have ours.


In all, have faith within your infinite self......        

Saturday, 18 June 2016

Does Consciousness Exist Outside the Brain?


written by Mathew Naismith

The following discussion is long and tedious and at times bitter but what the outcome of this discussion produces, is amazing to say the least. The discussion is based on my last post, "Putting Consciousness Into Perspective", but is primarily to do with consciousness being able to exist outside of the human brain. Also, some of the links I supplied might be of interest to some people.

Please bare with me, I have to prompt some people in opposition to my ideas at times to get the truth out in the open, I'm not interested in untruths. Prompting means to incite a discussion that tells of the opposing parties true intentions. I'm very good at this and it does take me to be tough on a person at times, basically, tough love. I wouldn't call this a pleasant discussion by far but at times we need to put up with the unpleasantries to get to what is pleasant for us, the world the way it is, is a good indication of this.            
       

Reply
Consciousness is not "the mental action or process of acquiring knowledge", though knowledge may be acquired while conscious.

There is no "physical consciousness". Consciousness is a pattern within, or functioning of, a physical brain.

Consciousness is not "the act of acquiring awareness". That is the act of becoming conscious itself.

"The mental aspect is the same in the physical as it is of the non-physical, the only difference is, the physical existence needs a brain to process these mental actions and processes, the non-physical doesn't need a brain, it works with the mind"
No, consciousness is the functioning of a physical brain. There is no "non-physical" consciousness that does not need a brain.

A brain is still a brain without a mind. It just isn't functioning. But a mind is not a mind without a brain.

Consciousness is not a "non-physical entity". It is not an entity at all. it is a state of a mind.

Let's put this simply, without any "woo"...
The mind is the functioning of a brain.
Consciousness is an emergent property of a complex brain.
Easy-peasy. Nothing mysterious about it.


My Reply
There are a number of dictionary interpretations that say otherwise Bruce, but all these kinds of interpretation denote is a physical perspective over and above a non-physical perspective. 

"A brain is still a brain without a mind. It just isn't functioning. But a mind is not a mind without a brain."

So how do ghosts/spirits interact in a physical existence when they don't themselves have a physical brain? The only way you could answer this is state that ghosts don't exist when they obviously do. Science studies have proven that the mind exists outside the body. 

You put the physical before the non-physical therefore you will never be able to comprehend what I am talking about, you have proven the points I made in the post Bruce. 

Your in a box and this box is labeled physical, that is all you can perceive because you are in this box, easy-peasy, nothing complicated about this. 

People like myself are out of that box you labeled physical, therefore, we our perspectives and perception are much broader than the box labeled physical.

Bruce, in a million years you will never WANT to see this will you? If you are happy existing in your box, that's good as I am happy existing outside your box labeled physical.


What, stating facts instead of fiction Bruce. It is well known in psychology that we do indeed put ourselves within a box and this is where we perceive from, of course the box gives us a bias perspective as you have quite clearly displayed here Bruce. There is a much bigger world outside the box Bruce.......

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You stated fiction, not facts. Fantasy, not reality.
I stated facts. I described both mind and consciousness in simple terms. Both of my descriptions are empirically supported. Yours are not.

It is well known in psychology that we do indeed put ourselves within a box and this is where we perceive from
So what?

of course the box gives us a bias perspective as you have quite clearly displayed here Bruce
You've yet to demonstrate that. All you've demonstrated is that you can't defend your ideas.

There is a much bigger world outside the box Bruce.
I'm glad you've noticed. Why don't you come out and play with all the rational intelligent people?




My Reply
The dictionary interpretations I read contradict your own for starters. So according to you, dictionaries are fictional......!!! 

Through a number of science experiments conducted, they have concluded that the mind does indeed exist outside of the body but there is no way you will comprehend this Bruce, this is inevitable as no doubt you will prove. Can you now see the box you are trying to perceive the rest of existence through? 

Anyone for starters who clearly states that dictionary's are fictional, are certainly existing in a box Bruce.


Reply
Please provide a link to the "dictionary definitions" you used.
I just think your dictionaries are fictional.

Through a number of science experiments conducted, they have concluded that the mind does indeed exist outside of the body
No, they have not. Now you are just flat-out lying.

Are you ever going to get around to defending your ideas? I'm getting tired of waiting. One might almost conclude that you cannot....


...and I see you've spammed this to a dozen different communities. What a dick move.

My Reply
Word web, consciousness: An alert cognitive state in which you are aware of yourself and your situation

Being that consciousness is obviously cognitive, cognitive interpretation is as follow, " The mental action or process of acquiring knowledge and understanding through thought, experience, and the senses." 

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/cognition

Now I know for a fact you will screw this around but consciousness is being cognitive, this is a fact Bruce. 

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/consciousness

"The state of being aware of and responsive to one’s surroundings: " 

I think a cognition relates to being aware would you not? You made the mistake in not thinking in terms of cognitive did you not Bruce? Big mistake.......Consciousness, an alert cognitive state, so what you are saying is consciousness isn't a cognitive state, obviously? 

Now for my evidence of the mind being able to exist outside of the physical brain.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiPkKX_ha7NAhUGJKYKHSF7B-8QFggeMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ukapologetics.net%2F07%2Fmindandbody.htm&usg=AFQjCNF_gczwScwjo4FjTlX0No-2eLj5Fw&sig2=x5kSYKZVlQ9K1uSAjq2Cag

http://www.learning-mind.com/quantum-theory-proves-that-consciousness-moves-to-another-universe-after-death/

http://themindunleashed.org/2014/03/brain-create-consciousness.html

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201112/does-the-soul-exist-evidence-says-yes

http://www.oddee.com/item_98822.aspx

http://humansarefree.com/2015/07/scientific-proof-of-reincarnation-yes.html

So if I'm lying and unintelligent, unlike yourself of course, all these far more intelligent people than you are also lying according to your obvious bias perception? You have once again proven that you do indeed exist in a box labelled physical. 

In a million years my friend, you will not concede you are wrong in any sense, this will be obvious in your replies. Get out of your box Bruce, it's making you look awfully stupid my friend.

By the way, I can, in time, produce future links to state how much of a liar I'm not and how ignorant you are if you like.



Further proof that souls exist which means so does the mind outside of the body. 

http://consciouslifenews.com/scientist-photographs-soul-leaving-body/1165924/

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/quantum-scientists-offer-proof-soul-exists/story-fneszs56-1226507452687

Extract: A PAIR of world-renowned quantum scientists say they can prove the existence of the soul.

http://www.strangenotions.com/seven-proofs-for-the-natural-immortality-of-the-human-soul/

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/10/29/science-now-proves-reincarnation-a-look-at-the-souls-journey-after-death/

Of course all these people are far more unintelligent than Bruce, he will obviously tell us so. I think these people are no doubt far better educated than Bruce but Bruce is still more intelligent according to Bruce. That bias perception giving a bias perspective again caused by existing in a box, will these people ever wake up from out of the illusion? We better hope they do one day.... 


I will in time produce more info and links to many more people who are liars and far less intelligent than Bruce even though Bruce isn't even a scientist, it would seem, or quantum physicist. The box can certainly delude us.


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"Word web, consciousness: An alert cognitive state in which you are aware of yourself and your situation"
...which is not how you defined it in your post. As I pointed out in my first reply.

"Now I know for a fact you will screw this around but consciousness is being cognitive"
Nope.
Consciousness is cognitive.
Learning is cognitive.
That does not mean that Consciousness is learning. That's a logical fallacy.

Consciousness is the state of being aware.
Cognition is the state of learning.
Learn the definitions of the words you use.

"Now for my evidence of the mind being able to exist outside of the physical brain."
Peer-reviewed research, please. And present your argument. I don't debate with links. Demonstrate you understand what they are saying.

"So if I'm lying and unintelligent, unlike yourself of course"
I'm more honest than you, and far smarter.

I await your peer-reviewed research demonstrating mind/body dualism...

My Reply
It would seem we are going to continue is this charade.

Try to be conscious without being cognitive, you're actually saying a consciousness can. Consciousness is being cognitive. It is also obvious you didn't know this because you should have mentioned it earlier but you didn't. 

What I explained what consciousness is, is correct because I didn't say the definition of consciousness did I, I only stated consciousness did I not? Your not very observant Bruce, that bloody box again!! 

By the way, there is a big difference between definition and interpretation but of course you don't know this either it would seem. Get out of that box Bruce...

So being aware through being conscious isn't learning through being aware!! 

"I'm more honest than you, and far smarter'.

So calling people names is a sign of intelligence Bruce, I don't think so especially when that name calling isn't backed up with evidence as I have produced. 

"I await your peer-reviewed research demonstrating mind/body dualism..."

So on all the info I supplied from far more intelligent people than you or I, even if you don't think so, this is your reply, your kidding me aren't you.......!! 

Because you are far smarter than I, you demonstrate that you know what they are stating. I think my post certainly demonstrates that I know what they are stating but you won't ever have this will you?

Bruce, give us sound evidence that I lied, good luck on this because I have already proven otherwise haven't I? But not to anyone in a box.... 

Bruce, it's not a good idea confronting people like myself like you have here, all you have proven is how bias and unobservant you are as of anyone stuck in a box would be. 

You absolutely have no idea what I am talking about Bruce which again proves my point about the box. You have proven how unobservant you are as you have proven how observant I am and that my friend is a fact. You of course won't see this either sadly enough

Interpretation: A mental representation of the meaning or significance of something 

Definition: A concise explanation of the meaning of a word, phrase or symbol 

There is a huge difference in their meaning. I stand by my explanation, cognitive represents consciousness as consciousness is represented by a cognitive factor. 

Once again, give us evidence I lied Bruce, at least give us this.....


Reply from another member

Play nice everyone ;)
I personally find your different perspectives very interesting and thank you both for engaging.


My Reply
 Everyone's perspectives are interesting but I don't think Bruce thinks this, I suppose that's why he stooped to name calling. 

What's interesting is that one of us is calling the other person names when replying to them, while the other person has always used the persons actual name when in reply. 

I think my physical pain is getting to me, too much typing in a short time space which makes the discussion even more interesting.

I might have to apologise to Bruce, I have been a little rough on him but it has been interesting, it confirms my perceptions and perspectives in a number of different ways unbeknownst to Bruce.

It's very interesting what that box has created, this is the illusion being that all we are is this box.


Reply from another member
I'm really just learning about all this, but I'm always ready to hear arguments on any side. 

I will reiterate to you both, though, to please be civil where you attack the contention, not the person.

My Reply
You and me both otherwise I wouldn't bother acknowledging Bruce. 

I should ease up on Bruce, I've prompted him way too many times but it's been interesting all the same.


My follow up reply
The following is an interesting read on why attributing consciousness to the physical brain is absurd. 

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/one-page-proof-that-attributing-consciousness-to-the-brain-is-absurd/

Extract: Consider this an open letter to philosophers, brain researchers, physicists, technocrats, Ray Kurzweil, and TED executives who censored lectures on consciousness by Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake.

Conventional science readily admits (insists) that the brain is made of the same particles that constitute everything else in the universe: rocks, chairs, comets, meteors, galaxies. According to conventional physicists, these particles are not conscious. Therefore, there is no reason to conclude the brain is conscious. The brain has no more ability to spawn consciousness than a rock does. End of story. End of proof. You’re welcome. Of course, a few scientists will argue (and many more will privately believe) that, since we humans ARE conscious, this proves the brain is producing consciousness—because, where else could we look for an explanation? Which is called circular reasoning. Meaning: you already assume what you’re trying to prove. Any first-semester logic student would mark that argument INVALID. Some scientists, suddenly invoking a brand of mysticism they otherwise deplore, claim the unique complex configuration of particles called the brain somehow—in this one case—has a capacity to break every rule in the book and deliver consciousness. But no proof, just faith. Supposition.
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To me, to take a solid unwithering stand that consciousness can't possibility ever exist outside the brain, is an indication of utter blind faith, a consciousness entrapped in a box of dogmatic beliefs and concepts based purely on bias. Consider this, how would a consciousness entrapped in a box behave otherwise but bias and bias to the extreme. This sounds awfully like I'm talking about an extremist religious ideology but I'm not, I'm speaking of the bias and extremism of science........

I however don't exactly agree in the statement that certain physicists state that consciousness is in rocks, trees and so forth, I once read that these physicists state that everything has a form or kind of consciousness, meaning, not everything has a consciousness like humans for example but I could be incorrect in this. Basically, this article supports my scientifically supported suppositions and conjectures in regards to my post.
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The discussion is continuing which in my mind isn't worth mentioning, the following is my last sensible reply in regards to this discussion.

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This is interesting, our discussion has been primarily on the physical aspects of consciousness, basically, a consciousness that is cognitive, cognition being "The psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning" (Word Web).

In my post, I had a different interpretation of non-physical consciousness than of cognition for a very good reason, that reason being that not all non-physical consciousness is cognitive for the pure fact such consciousness isn't psychologically represented. I'm not about to go into this to why this is so on here.

What I am stating also is that awareness, which obviously takes a consciousness of some kind, is of learning, even when the physical conscious mind is unaware, the physical, and most likely non-physical, unconsciousness is aware. So while we are asleep, unconscious, we are not suppose to be aware and learning? This seems to be what is being stated by certain people here, even when we are physically unconscious, we are still learning because we are still aware be it in a different format. Has anyone heard of sleep learning to begin with?

Another point to make here is the way we analyse, if I was to totally pull apart a human body and totally segregate each part from the other, would we still call these segregated parts a human as opposed of being of a human. It's no longer a human especially when we segregate it, it's of parts of a human.

What some people are doing here in this discussion is the same, segregate everything and only mention what they want to acknowledge and still call it a holistic analysis. Not once has anyone of the opposing view to mine analysed the info I have given holistically. Certain people within science and spiritualty do the same if they want or desire a certain outcome other than what the holistic approach will produce/create. This is well known in the circles of psychology and quantum physics to occur. 

I could pull apart any fact and turn it into fiction, this is fact, the question is, would I be deceptive in doing so? Obviously......How often is factual life turned into fiction and of course visa-versa? This is one reason people like me can see through blatant deception  which is usually created by a consciousness being bias while stuck in a box.

My box analogy is certainly being proven here.


 Extract:Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. 



Where is the physical brain when two subatomic particles can communicate with each other over a long distance? Communication takes consciousness because one consciousness has to be aware of another consciousness to be able to communicate, in other words, self-awareness. This of course won't make any difference to a bias consciousness, this is going to be evident.  
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Human consciousness has always evolved, just because we think we have found the right box, were not allowing human consciousness to evolve any further!! As human history quite plainly shows, there is no right box, only evolution......we are meant to evolve even if that means evolving into an entirely different species or entities.


I again apologise for the length and disposition displayed in this post.......      

Friday, 7 August 2015

The Spirit of the Soul



Written by Mathew Naismith

Spirit, soul: I’m in a conversation at the moment  discussing the soul, in many people eyes, the soul cannot accrue fixations brought about by mortal existences even though the soul is about mortal and immortal existences. This means a soul that is aware of it’s mortal existence is also aware of it’s immortal existence, this is until a soul becomes fixated to mortal existences.  I should point out that mortal existence relates to physical existences.

Mortal existence = physicality + fixations + soul
Immortal = non-physicality + no fixations  + spirit

Soul = ego + fixations + individual aspect of self
Spirit = egoless + no fixations + collective aspect of self

The spirit is also defined as God’s consciousness, divine consciousness, the source and divine light etc. The spirit is quite different to the soul, the soul can be influenced by mortal existence but the spirit can’t be because it’s not of mortal existence, therefore, the spirit is not influenced by mortal fixations unlike the soul. The following response I gave in this conversation will hopefully explain this more. 


The ego cannot exist without the soul but the soul can exist without the ego, the soul has therefore created the ego. A soul without an ego is not tricked in expressing the ego, however, a soul that is fixated to mortal existence, can be tricked in expressing the ego at the soul level.

OK, what is a non-physical entity with evil intent? It’s a soul with evil intent that is expressing ego traits, it’s not an ego trait expressing a soul. 

Through fixations to mortal existence, the soul can indeed be tricked in just expressing these egoistic expressions. How do you think chaotic realities like this one are created? Only through souls that are being tricked can this occur, I’ve actually witnessed this first hand. 

Isn’t it also egotistic to desire the soul to be free of these fixations? The only part of ourselves that is truly free of these fixations is our spirit or what I call the souls core, this is due to the spirit only being of immortal existence. The soul is not just of immortal existence, it’s also of mortal existence and is therefore prone to mortal fixations.  


Does it really matter if we have a different perspective in relation to the soul? It does, if we think the soul can’t accrue fixations and express ego traits, we will never amend our ways at the human level, this means we will keep creating a chaotic existence. There is of course nothing wrong in continuing in creating a chaotic existence, this is unless we are serious about changing our reality to something more constructive. It would seem we are not serious, if we were, we would automatically become aware of our souls fixations to mortal existences, this is unless our souls are totally fixated to mortal existences. This would of course seem to be the case which is fine unless we are truly serious about changing our ways and the reality we are experiencing.

When we pass on, what goes on to maybe live another life?  It’s not our human self that is for sure so it must be our soul. Now the soul can accrue bad karma while experiencing a physical life, is not this bad karma  denoting that the soul itself was influenced by mortal existences?  

Focus: There is a very good reason why so many people are automatically focusing on this God’s conciseness, divine consciousness, the source or divine light,  it’s because this consciousness can’t be influenced by mortal existences. We are inadvertently bypassing our soul and focusing on consciousness itself, a consciousness that is immortal in every sense of the word.  You could say the people, who are focusing on this consciousness, are focused on this consciousness to defuse where these souls are at, I don’t think this would be far from the truth.  We have seemingly automatically focused on this immortal consciousness to counteract what various souls are expressing, you could say we are healing these souls. 

Become aware of the soul but focus on the spirit, I think most spiritual teachings in the past made us aware of this for a very good reason too, I think it’s was done  to defuse what the soul was expressing, an existence primarily  expressive of mortal existences instead of also expressing the immortal self.  Once again, balance is the key, a balance of mortal and immortal expressions.

The following was a follow up reply I posted on this conversation to do with the difference between the soul and the spirit. Spirit guides were also mentioned in this conversation, it’s actually ironical we call our guides spirit guides as I will show. 

There is a difference between a soul and a spirit I believe, the soul can be of mortal and immortal worlds where the spirit is only of the immortal world, it's what we call God’s conciseness, divine consciousness, the source or divine light etc. This consciousness can never be influenced by mortal expressions but the soul can. 

In this case, spirit guides is an interesting description to use , does it refer to souls that are well connected to their spirit? Most probably, we can however be guided by souls that aren’t connected to their spirit as well, so a true spirit guide isn’t controlled by the ego in my mind. 
  

I should also mention, the soul denotes the individual aspect of oneself and the spirit denotes the collective. The spirit is about oneness where the soul is about individualism/dualism, this is why the spirit can never be influenced by mortal existences and the soul can.

Soul = the individual aspect of self

Spirit = the collective aspect of self 

Can We Truly Trust Our Soul??


Written by Mathew Naismith

As I wrote in my last post, the soul can also accrue conditions that need healing very much like the human self, this is due to the soul becoming too fixated to mortal existences.

Recently on a discussion board, I posted the following quote of mine,” A true spiritual path is a quietened path for only in our quietness can we observe!! Some people disagreed with this quote and stated a true spiritual path can only be followed if the soul is guiding us. My query with this is, what if this soul is as fixated to mortal existences as much as the human self through accrued conditions that stop a soul from following their souls chosen path?  The following was the reply I gave on this discussion.                          
   

A quietened path allows one to observe and become aware through such observations instead of just participating. The soul, through lack of observational skills, can become just as unobservant than the human self, this often leads to chaos.

This happens when the soul becomes just  as fixated to mortal existences than the human self, in this case, it’s advisable to follow the path of  your immortal self, in other words the spirit of the soul, there is a difference but only when the soul becomes fixated to mortal existences.

I’ve actually come across souls, that have no physical body or mind, who have such fixations that blind them to their truer existence and path.

Should we follow the guidance of a soul that is just as fixated to mortal existence than the human self?  This actually occurs and I think it’s something we need to be aware of .

Are we following our true path if the guidance of a soul is only fixated to mortal existences?  It would seem not, not in a lot of cases, this is because the soul can be tricked onto a path not of their own souls choosing but of other souls choosing. I’ve experienced this first and  I know it happens. This again is worth being aware of.


If our soul is no longer being the observer and the participator because of  accrued fixations, can we trust our souls to guide us on our chosen path?

It’s apparent to me we can be influenced to follow other souls paths other than our own even at the soul level, once the soul stops being the observer, it’s becomes less aware and vulnerable to other influences. We are the same at the human level, as soon as we loose direction, we make ourselves vulnerable to other influences which can lead us off our own chosen path.  War is a good example of this, how many people who go to war actually want to die for their country? To do this, they have left a previous existence, a previous path somewhat different to dying for one’s country.

The soul is only as good as it’s aware and it’s only as aware to the degree of observation, once this observation is hindered by fixations to mortal existences, it becomes less aware and more vulnerable to other influences.

I was myself extremely vulnerable when I lost direction at certain times in my life, this was all due to me becoming more of a  participator than an observer. At any time I could have been killed which would have drastically changed my chosen path. Because of my connection, I put myself in great peril. No chosen path is set in concrete, in other words, if we allow, our path can be altered by other influences around us but only if we are unaware.

Yes, some people paths will lead them to die for their country or a path  changed by other influences in other ways, this is inevitable, but not all paths are meant to go this way. The more vulnerable we make ourselves to the soul that is fixated to mortal existences and consequence accrued conditions, the more vulnerable we are to other influences that will try to change our chosen path.

If we are in ourselves, at the human level, being an observer as well as a participator, it’s unlikely your soul isn’t doing the same, in this case it’s worth being guided by your soul. If however we are just going along with everyone and only participating, it’s likely your soul is doing the same but not necessarily. Some souls choose to be the observer while allowing the human self only be a participator, this however leaves you open to vulnerabilities which may or may not be a part of your chosen path. In this case, the human self is unlikely to listen to the soul when the human self becomes too fixated to mortal existences.

By allowing your human self to become aware of being an observer, will allow one to become more in tune with their soul. Learning to become an observer can even change a soul fixated to mortal existences to also become once again an observer. Once a soul becomes an observer again, it can then be trusted to once again be our guide on our chosen path. I do think that is why we have (automatically) created so much chaos, our souls have become fixated and tainted by accrued conditions brought about by these fixations to mortal existences. Even if our souls weren’t tainted by these conditions, we are still not listening to our souls at the human level.  


I should also point out here, it’s worth becoming aware of beyond the soul to the spirit of the soul, the spirit of the soul being only of immortal existence (consciousness itself). This is due to the  spirit being unable to become fixated to anything of what is mortal, this includes any accrued conditions created by mortal existences, in other words the spirit is more purer within it’s consciousness. Could you imagine the kind of reality this would create, it’s very much a possibility!!